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Obama's Negative View of Religion in the Public Square

In June of 2006, Barack Obama gave the keynote address at the Call to Renewal. In this address, he clearly describes his view of the role of religion in the public square. This view is certainly not original to him; it is shared by many liberal academics. Here it is:

 

Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God's will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.

 

Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. But in a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice. Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality. It involves the compromise, the art of what's possible. At some fundamental level, religion does not allow for compromise. It's the art of the impossible. If God has spoken, then followers are expected to live up to God's edicts, regardless of the consequences. To base one's life on such uncompromising commitments may be sublime, but to base our policy making on such commitments would be a dangerous thing.

 

Obama argues for the following conclusion: Arguments in the public square cannot appeal to premises that only members of a specific religion would accept. They must appeal to principles that can be evaluated by pure reason, not by any alleged divine revelation.

 

For example, according to Obama, if I’d like to publicly argue against legally permitting homosexual marriage, I cannot use as a premise something like “The Bible says that homosexuality is wrong.” Since not everyone accepts the authority of the Bible, this premise is not permissible in the public square.

 

So that’s his position. And clearly that would have huge ramifications for Christians. The following would not be permissible as a premise, for example: All men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. That’s out, according to Obama. Arguing for prayer in public schools on the grounds that God exists and prayer is efficacious would also be out, according to Obama. Arguing against the death penalty on the basis of Romans 12:16-20 would also be out, according to Obama.

 

Alright, so much for the view. That’s what Obama believes the role of religion should be in the public square: Silence. Religious arguments are inadmissible in Obama’s court.

 

The larger question is: Why believe this view? What argument does Obama give in favor of this conclusion? Why should we accept that religion should be silent in the public square?

 

His argument, as I understand it in the above quotation, is roughly this:

Democracy demands that religious appeals are inadmissible. In a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice.

Why think that? He says, roughly:

Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality. It involves the compromise, the art of what's possible. But religion doesn’t allow for compromise. If God has spoken, then followers are expected to live up to God's edicts, regardless of the consequences.

 

OK, so let’s extract the argument.

(1) If Smith believes that God wants us to do X, then (a) Smith will believe that we should do X regardless of the consequences, (b) Smith will be totally unwilling to compromise about doing X, and (c) Smith will be unable to persuade everyone else that we should do X, without appeal to religious premises.

 

(2) Participation in politics in a pluralistic democracy requires compromise and the ability to persuade other people “of common aims based on a common reality,” i.e. without appeal to religious premises. That is, participation in politics requires that (a)-(c) not be true of you.

 

(3) Therefore, if Smith believes that God wants us to do X, then Smith will be unable to participate in politics in a pluralistic democracy.

 

Is that a fair assessment of the argument? I don’t want to be uncharitable to Obama. I really think that’s what he’s saying. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

But this conclusion is far stronger than the conclusion that we cannot appeal to religious premises when arguing in the public square. This conclusion says that we cannot even believe religious premises such as “God wants us/me to do X” and enter the public square! People with beliefs about God’s desires for mankind cannot even enter politics, according to this argument.

 

That’s certainly alarming. And it contradicts what Obama has said about his own religious faith. He has said, for example, when he describes his conversion in his book The Audacity of Hope: “[K]neeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works.”

 

If the above argument in (1)-(3) is right, and if Obama has discovered any of God’s truth and is dedicated to carrying out any of God’s works as he says in his book, then Obama himself cannot participate in politics. So that’s one criticism of the argument: it applies to Obama as well. So he cannot reasonably wield this political argument in the public square, since it concludes that he should not participate in politics in the public square.

 

Now let's ask if it is even a sound argument. Are premises (1) and (2) true? I don’t think either one is true. I think they’re both flat-out false.

 

(1) is false because of clause (b). I don’t think it’s necessarily true that, if Smith believes that God wants us to do X, Smith will be totally unwilling to compromise. Smith may realize that many people disagree with him about doing X, and he may realize that he’s unable to persuade them to see things his way, and he may be unable or unwilling to compel people to see things his way. And so he may be willing to strike a compromise with his opponents, to get as close as possible to doing X.

 

Indeed, this happens all the time. Many religiously motivated opponents of gay marriage desire to totally outlaw gay marriage, for primarily religious reasons. Many of them think that outlawing gay marriage is the right thing to do, and that God wants us to do it. And yet many of them realize that others disagree and that they cannot persuade them. And many are unwilling or unable to forcibly compel the country to outlaw gay marriage. And so many of these people seek instead to compromise with their opponents, perhaps by allowing civil unions to protect marriage. But premise (1) says this is just impossible. So much the worse for premise (1): we have clear counterexamples from everyday life. So premise (1) is false.

 

Premise (2) says that, in order to participate in politics, one must be willing to compromise and one must be able to persuade other people without appeal to religious premises. I think premise (2) is false, and I think Obama himself agrees with me! Elsewhere in this Call to Renewal address, he says:

“Imagine Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address without reference to "the judgments of the Lord." Or King's I Have a Dream speech without references to "all of God's children." Their summoning of a higher truth helped inspire what had seemed impossible, and move the nation to embrace a common destiny.”

He seems to condone Lincoln’s speech and MLK’s speech. And yet the parts of the speeches he praises are explicitly religious, and would not persuade a non-religious person. And clearly Lincoln and MLK were participating in politics in the public square. Therefore, Obama both recognizes the possibility and even praises some instances of religiously motivated participation in politics. That is, he recognizes that there are (praiseworthy) counterexamples to (2). I agree with him. And so he should believe that (2) is false, just as I do.

 

In conclusion, although Obama’s stated view of religion in the public square is very troubling, he gives us no good reason to accept it. Indeed, Obama himself elsewhere seems to give good reason to reject it! His views on this matter are inconsistent. As for us, there is no reason to think that religious premises are inadmissible in the public square. There’s no reason to think that one must be willing and able to persuade everyone in order for one to participate in politics in the public square. Of course you’ll be more successful in politics if you can persuade everyone, but that’s not a prerequisite to participation in politics. And so we should not be the least bit ashamed about making religious appeals in the public square.

Comments

You're leaving out a very important alternative: that one can hold their religious views without attempting to force these views onto others be it through means of physical force, or simply legislation. Obama's argument is actually very good in that he challenges people from all spectrums (and especially Christians, since we need it the most) to appeal to broader held values than the Bible. This is not to say that the Bible should not bear any relevance to the values of a Christian, but it does mean that for those who reject the Bible as authoritative (i.e. the vast majority of people), "the Bible says so" just doesn't work.

And here is where I will fault you: you've thrown simple logic out the window because you have something against Obama. Your treatise of premises 1-3 is false in that God can, and does, call his people to standards that he does not call the rest of society or the world to; therefore, Smith can hold his own convictions, regarding his own life (and even regarding the lives of those who have also entered into relationship with this God), withholding requiring those on the "outside" to abide by the same standards. After all...why should they?

Also, while I certainly think its possible for God to ask us to do something simply on the merit of "because he says so" - these instances are few and far spread. God's standards are not born in a vacuum nor is their value in God alone. For example, waiting for sex until marriage does not just have value because God says to do it. In fact, various social sciences attest to the value of such. Statistics support that sex kept until marriage makes marriages more successful. So, yes, we can believe something because we are Christians, but one does not need to be a Christian in order to find the value in an action - nor should we assume that we must appeal to religious beliefs in order to hold a view or espouse that view in the political realm. If something can be supported by evidence other than the Bible, why not use it? What are we afraid of?

Now, here's where we get down and dirty: why should what Obama is espousing cause us to fear in the slightest? So what if Christians are silenced in the political realm? So what if our rights are stripped away from us? So what if, due to our unwillingness to do so otherwise, we are forced to take up our crosses, to lay down our lives, to fight for the rights of others while laying down our own? So what?

Hi Gonzoguy,
Thanks very much for the feedback. I had a few thoughts in response:

>>You're leaving out a very important alternative: that one can hold their religious views without attempting to force these views onto others be it through means of physical force, or simply legislation.>>

I certainly didn't mean to exclude that option. I was only talking about whether or not it's permissible to argue in the public square for a conclusion like "We should do X" on the basis of religious premises. The "X" there may involve legislation or physical force, but it certainly doesn't need to. Someone may just want to stand up in the public square and argue that abortion is wrong. According to Obama, it would be illegitimate for this person to argue on the basis of religious premises. I think Obama is wrong there. That's what I was taking issue with.

>>Obama's argument is actually very good in that he challenges people from all spectrums (and especially Christians, since we need it the most) to appeal to broader held values than the Bible.>>

I'm OK with challenging people to appeal to more broadly held values that Biblical values. But Obama's argument is much stronger than that. He's not just encouraging people not to argue in the public square on the basis of religious premises, he's saying that such argumentation would be illegitimate, irrational, or impermissible. That's the disturbing part.

>>for those who reject the Bible as authoritative (i.e. the vast majority of people), "the Bible says so" just doesn't work>>

I agree. It may be more effective to argue on the basis of non-religious premises. I'm just saying that religious people should have the option. It should be considered fully legitimate and permissible to argue in the public square on the basis of religious premises, even if that's not the most effective strategy. Obama disagrees, and I think he's wrong for that.

>>Your treatise of premises 1-3 is false in that God can, and does, call his people to standards that he does not call the rest of society or the world to; therefore, Smith can hold his own convictions, regarding his own life (and even regarding the lives of those who have also entered into relationship with this God), withholding requiring those on the "outside" to abide by the same standards. After all...why should they?>>

Smith certainly can do that. I 100% agree with you that Smith can do that if he'd like. That's not where the disagreement is between Obama and me. I think that while Smith may withhold from arguing in the public square for conclusions like "We should do X" on the basis of religious premises, he also may do that, if he would like. Obama disagrees. He thinks that Smith cannot do that. It would be illegitimate, impermissible, irrational, or something like that.

>>Also, while I certainly think its possible for God to ask us to do something simply on the merit of "because he says so" - these instances are few and far spread.>>

I agree with you. Again, that's not where I'm disagreeing with Obama. I think that, if there ever is an instance in which someone would like to argue in the public square for a conclusion like "We should do X" on the basis of religious premises he should be free to do so. There's nothing irrational or illegitimate about that. But Obama disagrees. And I think he's wrong on that.

>>So, yes, we can believe something because we are Christians, but one does not need to be a Christian in order to find the value in an action - nor should we assume that we must appeal to religious beliefs in order to hold a view or espouse that view in the political realm. If something can be supported by evidence other than the Bible, why not use it? What are we afraid of?>>

I agree that we shouldn't assume that we MUST appeal to religious beliefs in order to hold a view or advocate that view in the public square. That's not the issue. The issue is whether we MAY. Obama says no. I say yes. I suspect you say yes as well.

If something can be supported by evidence other than the Bible, I certainly think we can use it. But again, that's not the issue. The issue is whether we MUST. I say no, Obama says yes.

>>Now, here's where we get down and dirty: why should what Obama is espousing cause us to fear in the slightest?>>

Well, perhaps he'll seek to enshrine his view in the law. Perhaps he'll make it illegal ("hate speech") to argue for a view in the public square solely on the basis of religious premises. That's one way things might go wrong. Kind of extreme, but certainly possible. Or maybe he'll just shoot down any law that comes to his desk that is argued solely on the basis of religious premises.

>>So what if Christians are silenced in the political realm?>>

I think disenfranchisement would be bad. Call me crazy...

>>So what if our rights are stripped away from us?>>

Yeah, again I think that would just obviously be bad. I don't think this is the sort of thing I need to argue for. Freedom: good. Enfranchisement: good. Slavery: bad. Disenfranchisement: bad. Repression: bad.

Do we really disagree about that?

>>So what if, due to our unwillingness to do so otherwise, we are forced to take up our crosses, to lay down our lives, to fight for the rights of others while laying down our own? So what?>>

Look, I'm all for accepting that if that is our lot. But I think it takes a serious misunderstanding of martyrdom or persecution to actually wish for that sort of thing. I'll take as my model Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Thanks for the response tamb...I have thoughts regarding your thoughts :)

I certainly didn't mean to exclude that option. I was only talking about whether or not it's permissible to argue in the public square for a conclusion like "We should do X" on the basis of religious premises. The "X" there may involve legislation or physical force, but it certainly doesn't need to. Someone may just want to stand up in the public square and argue that abortion is wrong. According to Obama, it would be illegitimate for this person to argue on the basis of religious premises. I think Obama is wrong there. That's what I was taking issue with.

I suppose at this point we disagree on a matter of interpretation. What I saw Obama saying was not prescriptive (i.e. Christians shouldn't espouse views solely on the basis of religious beliefs because to do so is bad) but descriptive (i.e.Christians shouldn't espouse views solely on the basis of religious beliefs because it is ineffective to do so).

I'm OK with challenging people to appeal to more broadly held values that Biblical values. But Obama's argument is much stronger than that. He's not just encouraging people not to argue in the public square on the basis of religious premises, he's saying that such argumentation would be illegitimate, irrational, or impermissible. That's the disturbing part.

No, the disturbing part is that you're portraying something about Obama that is not accurate. Nowhere does he say that arguing on the basis of religious premises would be "illegitimate, irrational, or impermissible" - unless you're referencing something other than what you've posted here. That's poor scholarship and a poor critique of Obama. At the very least, its a caricature. At the very worst, its flat out deception.

I agree. It may be more effective to argue on the basis of non-religious premises. I'm just saying that religious people should have the option. It should be considered fully legitimate and permissible to argue in the public square on the basis of religious premises, even if that's not the most effective strategy. Obama disagrees, and I think he's wrong for that.

And again I'll say that Obama is not saying one shouldn't do this because it is bad, but precisely because it is ineffective.

I agree that we shouldn't assume that we MUST appeal to religious beliefs in order to hold a view or advocate that view in the public square. That's not the issue. The issue is whether we MAY. Obama says no. I say yes. I suspect you say yes as well.

I do say yes. But I don't see Obama saying no. I see you thinking that Obama is saying no because you've made up your mind about him and are now looking for ammo.

Well, perhaps he'll seek to enshrine his view in the law. Perhaps he'll make it illegal ("hate speech") to argue for a view in the public square solely on the basis of religious premises. That's one way things might go wrong. Kind of extreme, but certainly possible.

Well, sure, anything is possible, but this is a pretty poor reason to oppose a candidate. The extremity of this "possibility" makes it utterly ridiculous and only weakens your critique of Obama.

Or maybe he'll just shoot down any law that comes to his desk that is argued solely on the basis of religious premises.

As well he should! If a law is based solely on religious premises then it, by definition, excludes the opinions and votes of a massive part of society. And in a democracy that simply does not work. I would consider it wise for any leader, president or not, to shoot down legislation that is based solely on religious premises.

Yeah, again I think that would just obviously be bad. I don't think this is the sort of thing I need to argue for. Freedom: good. Enfranchisement: good. Slavery: bad. Disenfranchisement: bad. Repression: bad.

Do we really disagree about that?

We disagree on what sort of kingdom Christ called us into. I think it is a very dangerous thing when Christians fight for their own rights. I have no problem when they fight for the rights of others, but as soon as we insist that Christians should have protected or special rights, on the basis of being Christian, we've ventured into dangerous territory.

Look, I'm all for accepting that if that is our lot. But I think it takes a serious misunderstanding of martyrdom or persecution to actually wish for that sort of thing. I'll take as my model Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane.

I'm not wishing for anything. I am simply reminding you that Jesus never told his followers to fight for their rights. Ever. And this is part of what it means to be a part of the Kingdom of God.

I work for a faith based organization and lead a HIV/AIDS program funded by the Federal Government in collaboration with outside organizations (secular and sex orientation diverse) established during the emergency of the HIV/AIDS epidemic.

Like Obama, I am faced with the challenging reality of engaging my faith in a charged environment that demands an apologetic rationale for my actions; actions that are motivated by my beliefs.

For instance, there has been significant conflict in HIV prevention models regarding the balance of using the ABC model: abstinence, being faithful, using a condom. The Bush Administration has made significant effort to expand the AB programs and limit C programs internationally. For me, a more long term (and more effective) approach is to depoliticize the issue. Do we have to promote AB models and "diminish" C programs on an ideological basis? If AB programs are statistically more effective, wouldn't they over time become the preferential option for all types of organizations? This takes the debate out of the ideological (religious) realm and brings it into the realm of reason.

In the end, certain positions push a person into the realm of incremental progress that can be in conflict with their ideological beliefs. The key is to be patient and diligent, keeping focus on the eventual goal. It is also important to have the prayer and guidance of elders as leaders navigate the treacherous waters of negotiation and pragmatic progress.

Hi Paul,
Thanks for the interesting reply. I admire your work. Keep it up!

I did have a few thoughts about your reply:

>>The Bush Administration has made significant effort to expand the AB programs and limit C programs internationally. For me, a more long term (and more effective) approach is to depoliticize the issue. Do we have to promote AB models and "diminish" C programs on an ideological basis?>>

Why is the Bush policy a "politicization" of the issue? Why is your preferred policy a "depoliticization" of the issue? I guess you're saying that Bush's policy is founded on an ideology, and therefore he's politicized the issue. But isn't your policy also founded on a (utilitarian) ideology? Wouldn't it follow then that your policy also politicizes the issue?

>>If AB programs are statistically more effective, wouldn't they over time become the preferential option for all types of organizations? This takes the debate out of the ideological (religious) realm and brings it into the realm of reason.>>

It sounds like you're reasoning on a utilitarian basis. You seem to subscribe to something like

(Paul) If a certain program is more effective -- i.e. produces a better ratio of pleasure to pain -- than any alternative program, then that program is the right one.

The Bush policy, on the other hand, seems to subscribe to something like

(Bush) If a program promotes immoral behavior, it should not be advocated (even if it would produce the best ratio of pleasure to pain of any alternative program).

First question: Both the Bush policy and your policy are founded on certain moral principles, (Bush) and (Paul) respectively. Why is the Bush policy a case of "politicization," whereas your policy is not?

I happen to think that (Paul) is false, since there are counterexamples to it. Here's one: Suppose a disease arises that is extremely deadly and highly contagious, and only arises in infants. It manifests itself first as a green dot on the infant's forehead, then lies dormant for a few years, and then develops into the full-blown disease, most likely infecting and killing hundreds of people (though the infant survives).

Now perhaps the most effective policy to take towards this disease would be to locate infants with the tell-tale green dot on their foreheads and kill them. That ensures that the disease won't spread, it doesn't cost us a lot of resources that quarantining them would, etc. According to (Paul), that policy of infanticide would be the right one. But that's obviously wrong. And therefore I think (Paul) is false.

(Bush) gives us the right result in that case, and maybe in this ABC case as well.

>>In the end, certain positions push a person into the realm of incremental progress that can be in conflict with their ideological beliefs. The key is to be patient and diligent, keeping focus on the eventual goal. It is also important to have the prayer and guidance of elders as leaders navigate the treacherous waters of negotiation and pragmatic progress.>>

I agree with all this. It may be that you just can't get people to adopt (Bush) short of coercion. And so perhaps the most prudent policy is to accept (Paul) in the meantime in order to achieve a greater end (i.e. containment or annihilation of HIV/AIDS), though you might think it's actually an immoral policy. I agree with all of that, though it depends on how bad the temporary principle (in this case (Paul)) is. I don't think it would be OK to temporarily accept the infanticide policy in the case described above in order to achieve the greater end of containing that disease.

Hey tamb,

What became of your previous posts re: the new argument for dualism? I was going to show them to my buddy who is really philosophically minded, but they were gone.

On another note, your friend Dr. Pickavance was celebrated at chapel today at Biola along with all the other new professors; if I get a chance, I shall certainly stop off and say hello to him.

I hope that you and yours are well and that the doctoral work is going smoothly.

Hi Andrew,

>>What became of your previous posts re: the new argument for dualism? I was going to show them to my buddy who is really philosophically minded, but they were gone.>>

I removed them. They were pretty speculative, and I think it would be best to polish them a bit more.

>>On another note, your friend Dr. Pickavance was celebrated at chapel today at Biola along with all the other new professors; if I get a chance, I shall certainly stop off and say hello to him.>>

Haha, that's great to hear that "Dr. Pickavance" was "celebrated." He's a great philosopher and a really good person. You should definitely stop by and say hello. You can tell him I say hi too. You could ask to sit in on one of his Talbot classes, to see if graduate level philosophy is for you.

>>I hope that you and yours are well and that the doctoral work is going smoothly.

Thanks, I appreciate that. Things are going pretty smoothly. I hope your studies are also going well. Are you going to pursue philosophy? We could really use your help (though it's a long and financially destitute road).

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